Sandeen was carrying on because I commented that he would not respond to challenges. I have seen Williams try to use logical fallacies and intellectual dishonesty to avoid dealing with real issues. And I realized, they have no choice.
At the core of the transgender paradigm is "self identification." A transsexual who posts as Aunty Orthodox confronted Sandeen over this. She was debating Sandeen about MWMF and the issue of who is and is not a woman...
After some back and forth, I asked specifically about Kirk Sneade, a college student who published a manifesto which included this bullet:
- Kirk Sneade has self defined as a woman ever since he realised it gave him legal access to the women’s changing rooms at the Bloomsbury gym.
Does Autumn Sandeen support Kirk Sneade, a self-identified woman, as an attendee to MWMF? Seems crazy, doesn’t it? Autumn would not address the question, instead choosing to talk about equality, and yadda yadda.
Autumn avoided two pointed questions. The first is, what is a self-identified woman? Her refusal to answer suggests that we both agree that Kirk Sneade is not a woman, even though he meets the criteria for self-identifying as one.
The second is whether women can define who is allowed to be a part of women’s-only space. An organizer may want to exclude male-bodied persons, or even female-bodied trans women from their space (e.g., MWMF, Radfem 2013). That’s their right. Autumn disagrees
But what is a woman? Is Kirk Sneade a woman? See how circular this is? If Kick Sneade, a self-identified woman, can enter women’s space, who can’t? Shouldn’t women decide who gets to be included in women’s space?I have to say, this was absolutely brilliant. I would challenge any who wish to defend transgender politics to answer this simple paradox. Clearly, Kirk Sneade is not a woman. Right? Well, if he isn't, and you claim someone like Sandeen is, how can this be? Sandeen's ONLY claim to being a woman is, after twenty years of successful service as a man, in a man's role, in the US Navy, he decided he wanted to be a woman and started self-identifying as one. Now, he will, of course, claim that he was always a woman, and such, but I call foul on that. Trust me, I know. I had a miserable life before I transitioned. I would not have lasted 20 minutes in the Navy, let alone 20 years.
If all it takes to be a woman is to self-identify as one, then by that standard, Kirk Sneade is a woman. But clearly Kirk Sneade is not a woman. No one, except a true fanatic, would say he is. But if he is not, where is the line? And who gets to draw it? Sandeen would not answer this, because Sandeen cannot answer this. Would Sandeen insist that people MUST use female pronouns to refer to Kirk Sneade? After all, Sneade says he is a woman? That is the same standard as Sandeen claims. Would Sandeen demand that Kirk Sneade be admitted to MWMF? Probably... But that is a bit different matter. And here is the real kicker. Would he insist that be allowed in the women's changing rooms? If not, Sandeen's entire paradigm falls apart. If so, then Sandeen has shown he has no concept of how women think or feel. And with that the transgender house of cards collapses...
Women, quite frankly, don't "self-identify" as women. We just are. Sandeen will call foul, perhaps, or someone else might, and they are welcome to do so. But ask any woman to really explain what makes her a woman, and that is the answer you will ultimately get. It is not an identity. It is a reality. A reality that Kirk Sneade, and let's be honest, Sandeen, have never, and will never, experience. So. all they can claim is, "I self-identify" as a woman. And I am sorry. but that just doesn't cut it.
So, what is the moral of all this? It is simple. One is a woman, if, and really only if, one is able to actually life in society as a woman. Not a transwoman, not as transgender, but just as a woman. I do, and so do a lot of transsexuals who have completed transition and moved on.