tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post6821193942057470905..comments2023-10-12T08:11:38.983-07:00Comments on Just Jennifer: The Logical Fallacy of TransgenderJust Jenniferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-22349222340811345122015-06-03T07:24:07.340-07:002015-06-03T07:24:07.340-07:00Well, I would counter that "non-binary" ...Well, I would counter that "non-binary" gender is the mental construct. Put another way, it is a rather silly cry for attention.<br /><br />As to "freely chosen," you clearly have no understanding of the transsexual experience.<br /><br />Beyond that, you are correct that there is a difference between "transsexual," which is defined by a deeply felt need for surgical correction as part of a larger need to correct what is, in effect, a birth defect, and "transgender" which is basically a fad involving acting out and imposing one's self on society by flaunting societal norms, and in general, being an obnoxious prick.<br /><br />Transgender is simply bad behavior, and really has nothing to do with brain structures. It is simply a choice to misbehave.<br /><br />And being blunt, and honest, about these things is not hate speech. I really get tired of people who trot out that bit of silliness as an attempt to avoid the truth.Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-14103281382674892282015-06-03T07:24:06.960-07:002015-06-03T07:24:06.960-07:00Well, I would counter that "non-binary" ...Well, I would counter that "non-binary" gender is the mental construct. Put another way, it is a rather silly cry for attention.<br /><br />As to "freely chosen," you clearly have no understanding of the transsexual experience.<br /><br />Beyond that, you are correct that there is a difference between "transsexual," which is defined by a deeply felt need for surgical correction as part of a larger need to correct what is, in effect, a birth defect, and "transgender" which is basically a fad involving acting out and imposing one's self on society by flaunting societal norms, and in general, being an obnoxious prick.<br /><br />Transgender is simply bad behavior, and really has nothing to do with brain structures. It is simply a choice to misbehave.<br /><br />And being blunt, and honest, about these things is not hate speech. I really get tired of people who trot out that bit of silliness as an attempt to avoid the truth.Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-52740056631151521232015-05-30T22:55:34.351-07:002015-05-30T22:55:34.351-07:00You are to busy belittling to have a rational con...You are to busy belittling to have a rational conversation Let me reword that Gender as a binary is a mental construct. In the preamble, "gender identity" is understood to refer to each person's deeply felt internal and individual experience of gender, which may or may not correspond with the sex assigned at birth, including the person's sense of the body (which may involve, if FREELY CHOSEN, modification of bodily appearance or function by medical, surgical or other means) and other experience of gender, including dress, speech and mannerism. Some people are transgender which is someone that has not changed the body to match the gender they feel inside. A transsexual is someone that has or is going through a medical transition to change there body to match their individual sense of gender. There are many different reasons why people choose to live openly transgender without changing the body. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones. Just stop with your hate speech already.Excomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16429001605349805317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-74115778276675153312015-05-25T15:48:55.987-07:002015-05-25T15:48:55.987-07:00Well, if nothing else, it is clear you are delusio...Well, if nothing else, it is clear you are delusional. But hey, thanks for playing. Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-85048379663652371792015-05-24T15:07:06.996-07:002015-05-24T15:07:06.996-07:00Thank you for your time I appreciate the great con...Thank you for your time I appreciate the great conversation.One day I'll be a beautiful women. :)Excomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16429001605349805317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-5147919263716153642015-05-23T14:49:06.778-07:002015-05-23T14:49:06.778-07:00I'm sorry I didn't get your comment up soo...I'm sorry I didn't get your comment up sooner. I must have missed the notification,<br /><br />Sorry, but "gender," which is <b>NOT</b> a "mental construct" is binary. You confuse something that is biological with something that is behavioral.<br /><br />And you are misusing the term "logical fallacy,," which does not mean "something I disagree with." Now, your conflating "transgender" with "transsexual" <b>IS</b> a logical fallacy. As is your silly attempt to redefine "transsexual" as something less than it really is. If you have not had, or are seeking SRS, you are not a transsexual. If you are willingly living openly as a "transgender" your claim of being transsexual would also be highly suspect.Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-20261931871763254782015-05-20T09:56:47.161-07:002015-05-20T09:56:47.161-07:00Ok, so gender binary is forced on people and is a ...Ok, so gender binary is forced on people and is a logical fallacy to proclaim there are only 2 genders. There are many options to gender besides man and women because it is a mental construct. They should have 3 bathrooms people that are women, people that are men and people that identity as neither or in between. <br /><br />We define a transsexual as some one that has changed their bodies to match their already female minds. They lack the ability to menstruate and give birth. Some natural women cannot give birth but they are still women.It comes down to a persistent desire to live a female life since you are very young that does not go away until you kill yourself or transition that is what transgender is for me a life decision to live as a female. I'm not here to argue just adding my impute thank you.Excomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16429001605349805317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-55683137324202733122014-12-23T16:46:01.552-08:002014-12-23T16:46:01.552-08:00Actually, "gender dysphoria" has nothing...Actually, "gender dysphoria" has nothing to do with being transgender. Transgender, again, is an artificial political/social construct. It tries to claim those with "gender dysphoria," among other terms, but the overwhelming majority of those who identify as transsexual are perfectly happy with their birth sex, and their gender is in alignment with their bodies. They just like to play dress up, and some, usually older crossdressers, may get carried away and decide to go full time, but they really do not have "gender dysphoria." BTW, that is a silly term. I am quite happy with my gender (which has always been, and always will be, female), it was my birth sex that I had a problem with. And again, most 'transgender" people are perfectly happy with their birth sex.Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-86386657288290896802014-12-23T03:06:38.337-08:002014-12-23T03:06:38.337-08:00Let me just say, in rebuttle to your arguments: Tr...Let me just say, in rebuttle to your arguments: Transgender individuals experience what is known as "Gender dysphoria" is which they are unable to accept the reality that their body is male, and they change that body because they are able to accept themselves as a Female in a female body. Cis-gendered individuals cannot relate because they were living in the body they identified with since birth, making their self-identification innate and indistinguishable. Cis-gendered individuals have no juristiction in this area because they literally cannot relate since they know no feeling other than complete acceptance of their birth gender.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071384535505199540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-62651085726056691382013-05-01T05:41:30.609-07:002013-05-01T05:41:30.609-07:00I have seen those types, and they think by claimin...I have seen those types, and they think by claiming an intersex, it will make them look more real and more legit. Apparently, it's a common skill for them to try and claim an intersex as justification for their trans. They must think that being intersex is more real than being trans. Which is why Intersex people like me get pissed off, when you have people like Zoe Allen brain going around pretending to be intersex, in order to justify their transsexualism.Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-52551599931271528922013-04-30T21:50:11.736-07:002013-04-30T21:50:11.736-07:00I have seen those like Zoe Brain referred to as &q...I have seen those like Zoe Brain referred to as "kitchen sink" intersexuals. They just sort of make it all up. I know a lot of transsexuals try to claim to have various genetic anomalies like Klienfelter Syndrome, even though it has nothing to do with being transsexual, and gender identity is rarely an issue with such people. Even Sandeen had hopes of having it.<br /><br />Apparently they think it will make them "more" real.Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-15939297429969185782013-04-29T16:57:22.195-07:002013-04-29T16:57:22.195-07:00The waters have been muddied, no thanks to the Tra...The waters have been muddied, no thanks to the Transgender kooks such as Zoe Allen Brain. There are a lot of Transgender kooks who have been known to use Intersex people to justify and legitimize their existence at intersex people's expense. Even now, the trans kooks are bashing Intersex people for speaking up against them and against their fragile ideology. Sooner or later their fallacy will be their downfall.Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-73586702643355351692013-04-29T10:36:51.411-07:002013-04-29T10:36:51.411-07:00Yes, the waters have become very muddied. Part of...Yes, the waters have become very muddied. Part of the problem is, there are an awful lot of transgender people, and relatively few transsexuals. That is the irony of it all. You have this huge mass of people trying to hide behind a relatively small handful. That is why they get so upset with we refuse to go along. They are afraid people will realize the truth...Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-66799871283217206062013-04-29T09:52:42.641-07:002013-04-29T09:52:42.641-07:00Well, I suppose it's a simple enough explanati...Well, I suppose it's a simple enough explanation for most people - there's a lot of work to do in regards to unmuddying the waters.<br /><br />Right now, when people hear the word "transgender" they think of a transsexual person, not anybody else under the "umbrella". So when they see a Sandeen or a Williams, they think that everyone under the umbrella (that has now had transsexuals shoehorned in) are like that. We all know this. What's needed is simple, easily relatable comparisons and contrasts so that the whole umbrella concept can be broken through.<br /><br />Basically, transsexuals need some good PR.Rosenkreuzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16250801521237616408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-43759285516160670982013-04-29T07:13:27.655-07:002013-04-29T07:13:27.655-07:00Well, the simple bottom line is, transgender is ch...Well, the simple bottom line is, transgender is chosen behavior, which has never been considered a valid basis for legal protection. For example, a person might have some legal protection under certain laws for the disease of alcoholism, but not for the act of being a drunk. A person who is schizophrenic is covered by disability law, but if a person who is a pedophile claims he should be protected, it won't carry any weight. They need to create the illusion of a legitimate basis for bad behavior.<br /><br />For me, the big difference between transgender and transsexual is that transsexuals generally just want a reasonably normal life. Transgender people want to be transgender.Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-65498466781761096232013-04-29T05:46:38.823-07:002013-04-29T05:46:38.823-07:00Fair enough, it's more of an academic discussi...Fair enough, it's more of an academic discussion anyway. Transsexualism doesn't *need* to be an intersex condition, and it'd probably muddy the waters until we can directly look at neurological structures and say "Aha, this is a female brain" and "Aha, this is a male brain". Right now, all we have are hints (like BTSc sex differences and digit ratios and such). <br /><br />The issue is that people would attempt to invalidate transsexualism due to the presence of that Y chromosome, or genial non-ambiguity or such, so I'm really looking for a clear, no interpretation dividing line between transsexuality and transgender that anyone can understand.Rosenkreuzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16250801521237616408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-60777182377540031812013-04-28T19:51:29.443-07:002013-04-28T19:51:29.443-07:00if we take the current known medical and scientifi...if we take the current known medical and scientific definition of what Intersex is, I doubt Trans would ever come close to meeting it. Maybe when we're at the level of star trek or star wars medical technology, then we may have a clear distinction. As of now, were only at the Molecular genetic DNA level.<br /><br />Of course, you gona have transgender extremists, who will constantly try to co-opt Intersex people & Intersex conditions to justify & legitimize their fragile ideology. You see it all the time, and you see it within the transgender extremists. They constantly use Intersex people to justify themselves and their behavior at the expense of Intersex people like me.Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-2725335692614191862013-04-28T18:41:47.801-07:002013-04-28T18:41:47.801-07:00@Nicky
I see your point. At the same time, consid...@Nicky<br /><br />I see your point. At the same time, consider this quote from Milton Diamond (who I understand is rather important to the study of intersex)<br /><br />"Transsexuals have no apparent anatomical traits that are of the opposite sex, they have typical genitalia appropriate for their natal sex but, I think, their brain is somehow predisposed to code for the opposite sex and they are thus, by our previous definition, intersexed."<br /><br />The whole interview is here, it's actually quite illuminating.<br /><br />http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2000to2004/2002-conversation.html<br /><br />Also:<br /><br />"One major component of the diagnosis that separates this GID and transsexuals from all the other groups subsumed under the term transgenderd is that only the transsexual feels he or she is rightly a member of the opposite sex and persistently wants surgery and hormones to effect a sex reassignment. And while Drag Queens, transvestites and others might have some aspects of gender confusion or dis-ease or dis-order, they don't fit the medical definition of GID. One problem you may be reacting to is that the word "disorder" has negative connotations. In the medical definition the term reflects the psychological distress which the transsexual usually shows."<br /><br />This is rather old - keep in mind that this is talking about David Reimer before his suicide.<br />Rosenkreuzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16250801521237616408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-45445321962691475522013-04-28T16:24:09.460-07:002013-04-28T16:24:09.460-07:00There are good arguments both ways on the question...There are good arguments both ways on the question of whether or not transsexualism is, or is mot, a form of intersex. Of course, the transgender extremists, who want to justify what is clearly a chosen o behavior try to co-opt both. Transsexualism does clearly have a physical basis, and like some forms of intersex is caused by hormonal anomalies in utero.Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-89618095793901194772013-04-28T16:17:07.349-07:002013-04-28T16:17:07.349-07:00Why thank you...
Yes, it does become a bit metaph...Why thank you...<br /><br />Yes, it does become a bit metaphysical I suppose, but there is a boundary between men and women that cannot be so easily ignored as Sandeen wishes.Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-83930765023333106692013-04-28T14:33:17.790-07:002013-04-28T14:33:17.790-07:00@Rosenkreuz
I don't think so because Intersex ...@Rosenkreuz<br />I don't think so because Intersex from a medical and scientific perspective means one has to have the physical and genetic DNA signs of Intersex. Which means on a DNA level, they have to be medically and scientifically tested for Intersex by DNA. On the medical exam, have to show clear physiological and biological signs of intersex that can be seen physically. Which is why the Intersex label can't and will never be applied to transsexuals because they don't meet the medical and scientific definition of Intersex.Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-50835953073342370152013-04-28T12:48:35.704-07:002013-04-28T12:48:35.704-07:00Also Nicky, do you think that a broad label of &qu...Also Nicky, do you think that a broad label of "intersex" applies to transsexuals? Obviously I think so but seeing by your posts you suggest you are intersex, so I'd like to ask your opinion.Rosenkreuzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16250801521237616408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-86794073413492416232013-04-28T09:31:27.990-07:002013-04-28T09:31:27.990-07:00And thus, we see the wonders of the eis atopon apa...And thus, we see the wonders of the eis atopon apagoge (or reductio ab absurdum) argument. Well done. <br /><br />The theoretical premises of the ideological "Transgender" construct make it so that Sneade or, hell, myself as a 6'2, 240 pound black male with lots of male secondary sex characteristics can throw on a dress and demand that society regard me as female. Hell, I don't even need to bother with the dress.<br /><br />I don't even need to put on a fig leaf of transition (as Sandeen does, even if it is obvious that he is not interested in assimilating as a woman, the fig leaf is there) - I can simply declare myself a woman, and society must accept me as such, within this paradigm. <br /><br />The only "male" aspect of the post-transition/post-SRS transsexual female is chromosomal makeup, and and that would make AIS females and Swyer females male, which is ridiculous. The common denominator is the neurological makeup expressing itself as female gender, which is not an adopted identity, but a lived reality (though social conditioning can partially suppress this reality for a time, at the cost of psychological stability and absolutely dismal life outcomes)Rosenkreuzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16250801521237616408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544621986610962495.post-84087560522510101172013-04-26T22:12:19.539-07:002013-04-26T22:12:19.539-07:00In which the Trans community is built on a house o...In which the Trans community is built on a house of lies and scams. Where if the truth is known about the lies and scams trans people like Mr. "Autumn" Sandeen, Mr."Cristan" Williams and Zoe Allen Brain play on people. Their ideology will collapse on them and bring the down fall of the transgender community. Which would result in showing their true logical fallacy.Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.com