Monday, November 18, 2013

The Return of the Idiot Troll...

In my last posting, I talked about my error of thinking Elizabeth at Notes From the T-Side might have gotten over her little snit about the Colorado high school case.  Among other aspects of all that, I wondered how long it would be before the nasty stalker, "Diane" Lask would pop back up.  Well, it didn't take that long….  

As he tends to do, this person, who I used to refer to as an "idiot troll" back in the waning days of my regular involvement on Usenet, made another round of nasty, and quite false, claims.

The funny part in all of this, is how this whole episode seems to sum up a lot that is wrong with how both transsexuals and those who make up the quite separate "transgender community" tend to act out online.

As I have pointed out, there is often a tendency of some to elevate themselves to a sort of self-aggrandized status as a "pioneer" of sorts.  Suzan Cooke has made an online career of this sort of silliness, and Elizabeth has adopted the same sort of approach.  The story is always the same.  They were an early transitioner.  They had no doubts, no insecurities, their transition was flawless, and anyone who does not agree with their every infallible pronouncement is, at best, suspect.

And they tend to surround themselves with a bunch of sycophants who provide a chorus of ego strokes that allows them to hide some very obvious insecurities.  I will give Elizabeth credit for one thing…she tends to not be as inclined to censorship as Cooke, who apparently can't deal with disagreement at all.  And, so far, Elizabeth has resisted the urge to completely abandon all principles and pledge her troth to Mr. "Cristan" Williams and the transgender extremists.

The truly funny part is, for a group, including Elizabeth herself, who seem to be inclined to question others intelligence, they seem to have seriously impaired reading comprehension.  My final words there, albeit a bit garbled when my fingers slipped and I missed what the spell checker produced, were "I should have gone with my first instinct and ignored you. I won't make that mistake again."  

That after ignoring quite a bit of drivel that preceded the post I responded to.  But, both Elizabeth, and several in her sycophant chorus, chimed in like fools, to suggest I should go elsewhere.  Hmmm, now perhaps they are simply posturing like childish fools, trying to boost their own egos, by telling themselves that they "bested" me.  When, as I said, I don't post there again, they can tell themselves that it was their doing.

But, back to Lask, and his latest round of garbage.  This is the classic example of what people like Elizabeth surround themselves with.  Lask postures about how he is a "A true TS misidentified by JJ."  Actually, Lask, as I have pointed out, turns out to have never had SRS.  For quite some time, Lask hid behind a claim of his surgery having "failed."  Of course  when one considers that Lask also used to brag about his great successes as a well paid programmer (including claiming to have owned a Corvette) one also has to wonder why Lask never had corrective surgery.  Now, Lask simply hides behind fake names, and anonymous remailers to lash out at imagined enemies.

 Lask likes to make a big deal out of some poorly chosen words I put on a website I threw together back when having a vanity web site was "the thing."  (Now, that would be having a blog instead.)  The funny part is, Lask not only strongly identified as a transvestite at one time, he was a very active member of a group originally known as Educational TV Channel, which morphed into Transgender San Francisco, or more commonly, TGSF.  Yes,  Mr, "true transsexual" was an active member of a transvestite social group.  And he wants to accuse others of being autogynephilic.  Even funnier, Lask likes to parrot Michael Bailey, and point out that I am a "techie."  Well, Lask spent years as a programmer and as a very active transvestite.  Hmmm….

Lask, along with a few others, is the reason there are parts of my past I simply don't disclose. Yes, that leads to, as some claim, my backstory lacking "consistency."  And if someone wants to attempt to exploit that, that is certainly their privilege.  Lask's backstory lacks quite a bit of veracity, but Lask sticks to simple lies, leaving out major details such as his military career (he certainly was NOT an early transitioner) and his involvement with a transvestite social club.  But hey, some people are just very skilled liars.  That is typical of what psychologists would label a "sociopath."


Elizabeth said...


I missed this post before I made the comment on newer blog post. You really like to push your luck don't you Jennifer?

Just Jennifer said...

You are the one who started posting about me. I wasore than willing to let bygones be bygones. I have said we should agree to disagree a long time back. You insisted I had to accept your position. So really, don't come on here making threats.

Elizabeth said...

I would never make a threat against anyone Jennifer. You might want to go back and reread your comments on my blog so you can determine who got nasty first. Saying you are wrong is not nastiness but then you know that.

Transition is different for everyone but the simple truth is the later it happens the less the intensity of the transsexualism since it takes longer to deal with it. Type VI are kids or very young adults that deal with it early. Everyone else is a Type V. Neither one is any better than the other although IMHO it is worse for the Type V because life gets in the way and bad things can happen.

What year did you have your SRS? Was your weight an issue when you had surgery?

Just Jennifer said...

I really don't care for silly semantical games.

In any case, your argument is overly simplistic. It assumes, for example, that someone knows that transition is even possible at that early age.

I was in my twenties when I discovered I was transsexual and I began planning to transition. However, bad information caused me to believe it was not possible. I spent about ten years feeling very hopeless, before I found out that I could transition. I found a doctor, and transitioned. After a period, for reasons that are very involved and personal, I tried to find a lesser path. After seven years of misery, I realized that I was not only hurting myself, but I was not doing anyone else any good, and I returned to living full time. My life was not easy, and it took some time to get to the point where I had the means to have surgery, but I did. No, my weight was not a factor.

Try to imagine what your life would have been like if things had not fallen into place for you. Yes, you can make some arrogant assertion that you would have simply killed yourself, but that is a dodge, not a fact. Thankfully that was not the outcome in my case. We will just leave it at that. The problem is, you presume that early transition or a lack of intensity were the only two options. That is wher you are so very wrong. There are always exceptions. As I say, for someone who rejects Bailey, you are certainly parroting his BS.

You will have to excuse me if I put more stock in the opinions of real experts, and not that of someone who is simply assuming they know it all.

Elizabeth said...

Things did not fall into place for me Jennifer but the simple fact is the only reason suicide was attempted in my youth was because I did not know I could get help. The minute I knew I could get help I never had another suicidal thought just so you understand suicide was never a DODGE used by me.

I parrot Bailey's BS? You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Show me one place where I parrot anything Bailey claims.

I have never claimed to know it all but I do know a lot about kids. I know nothing of later transitioners other than they are what Benjamin classified as Type V which does not mean it is an easier for them in their lives.

What kind of bad information could possibly have made you think, knowing you were a transsexual, that transition was not possible? It almost reads like you had self-doubt or were hesitant and unsure of what you could or should do. Is that accurate?

Just for your edification the argument I was making is about today and not yesteryear. Today it is possible to transition earlier and kids do. In my day it was a crime and probably was in your early years. Today it is not but only the intensely transsexual do it early or push things early and that is a simple fact.

Intensity builds over time and that is why some transition later and I have no issue with that. Transsexualism is not a medical condition where everyone is the same, like it or not. There is no easy path for anyone born transsexual and that is an undeniable fact.

Just Jennifer said...

That is a good question...and the source of more than a bit of irony in my life.

The short answer is, I thought I would be a lesbian after I transitioned and based on research I did at the time, I came to believe that if you were not, as Bailey would now put it, "a homosexual transsexual" you were forbidden to transition.

That is grossly oversimplified, and I can already hear the obvious question...why not simply lie?

The full story is more complex. I did quite a bit of research on the subject. I had access to a major university library at the time, and even though it was in the Deep South, they had quite a few books that dealt with the issue. As I say, the only view available was that one had to be "homosexual," i.e. prefer men. And yes, my plan was to simply lie. Until I read a book that made the assertion that anyone who was not "homosexual" (my, but they were ignorant back then) who went through transition and had surgery would suffer a severe mental break, and wind up incurably insane. No, I am not making that up. And no, I don't specifically remember the book I read that in. I wish I did, as it would be good for a laugh, to say the least.

I struggled with this fact, but decided that it must be true, as it was in a scholarly text, in a major university library, and so I stuffed my feelings and tried to move on with my life. Which pretty much fell apart afterwards.

For the next, approximately twelve years, everything I read seemed to confirm what that book said. I read all the biographies, and they all ended with the person becoming a straight woman, even if they had been a "straight" male before.

It was not until I read "In Search of Eve," that I discovered the truth, and ironically, when I transitioned I discovered that, in truth, I was (cue the irony) quite straight as a woman.

Now, before you go off on a tangent, and start balking, let me explain something. For the most part, I was never a particularly "sexual" person. I enjoyed the companionship more than being driven by sexual desire. Until I transitioned, I was largely abused by men. I had an abusive father, most other male authority figures in my life saw me as "defective" (an from their point of view, I was for obvious reasons) and while I had some confusing feelings about the few exceptions, I also lead a very sheltered life. And my "peers" also saw me as largely defective as well. I tended to hide behind being a "geek." I preferred books and science to sports and rough play. I got married primarily to escape my father, and trust me, my ex-spouse was very frustrated. I married someone I honestly expected to be as uninterested in sex as I was. I was wrong. Yes, I managed to produce a daughter, and I don't regret that. But it is a wonder that it happened. It was only after transition, when I was seen as a woman, and treated appropriately, that I realized that men were attractive. Yeah, irony is just so much fun...

Just Jennifer said...


Life is not always as simplistic as some with to make it. And yes, when I was in college, I had gay friends. I knew I was not like them. That contributed to my confusion, as I simply could not see being attracted to a man, based on my experiences to that point.

Quite frankly, if I could have been seen by someone in my twenties, my life would have been different. The student therapists that were available (money was a major issue at the time, and hey, they were free) were very knowledgeable about such issues. They assumed I was simply a crossdresser, and did not delve any further. Ironically, one of them, at the end of the term, confessed her attraction to me, and admitted she that it was extremely unprofessional of her to feel that way.

In Alabama, in the mid-Seventies, there were simply not a lot of resources available. And what was available was mostly books that would now be considered quite funny...

And yes, when I read "In Search of Eve," and discovered that I could transition, I did.

It was not self-doubt that caused me to not was more akin to pure terror that I would wind up worse off than I was, though now I see just how wrong that was.